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Bound Zero · Mar 29, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Yeh i noticed.. Im sure they have read it.. and all the other ones.. And probably dont give a damn.. Thats how they set it up so unless theres some sort of flaw in there design im sure they wont change it

shadowfell · Mar 29, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Hey, you're one who refuses to even acknowledge what you say is offensive.

If pointing out the obvious makes someone a troll, then I welcome the compliment.

I actually liked the OPs message, even though she could have toned down the emotes a little.

I'm just trying to keep this thread alive so Anet will get a chance to read it...

It's not offensive, but you keep up the good work, Mordakai...When you have a valid counter argument that pertains to the point of the thread, I'll return to it =D

Bound Zero · Mar 29, 2006, 07:49 PM // 19:49

As far as shadowfell using "racism" i think people are taking it in the wrong direction.. She ment it as a comparison.. Not literally saying its like racism.. Obviously some people need to understand that... Shes saying that complaining get things done.. Like when rights for women and blacks was established.. from complaining.. in a way.. Thats all.. Now can we end all this ranting and raving cause some people dont completely understand the post..

shadowfell · Mar 29, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by rollntider

No your wrong, your ignorant and refuse to understand, i did not condem you for voicing your opinion, I even endorse actually having more character slots. I think you should post constructive critisism. But to compare arena net not giving you 2 character slots to black people being lynched, and not having the right to be full citizens of the USA is total ignarance and stupidity on your part. How is a man being hung from a tree for the color of his skin compare to you not having a PVP slot available when you want it?

How does a child because they have a dark skin color not allowed to ride in the front of the bus , because you want to play as all 8 core characters?

How does 4+4=6 compare to not having the right to vote because you have dark skin?

It doesnt, and to even try to stretch the 2 together just shows the lack of intelligence you hold. I never once in my reply to you I disagreed with wawnting more slots. I disagreed that comparing 6 slots = racism and if you bothered to read it before responding on a tirade, in which you know nothing about, you might have saw I actually agree with you. Voice your concerns, ask Anet for more slots, but quit trying to compare 8 slots to civil rights struggles. A+3 does not equal pineapple according to your calculations.

Read your statement and then read my previous post, which might I add, has never been edited, that even brought up this ignorant tyrade.. where in the hell did you get "lynching" from all of that?

here, let me requote it, JUST for you, so that maybe THIS time, you will READ it, before rambling off another bunch of sentences that literally, misrepresent what a person said.

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And people will complain until AN listens.. If people had stopped argueing equality everytime they were told no, blacks would still be sitting at the back of the bus and women would still be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen without a political voice.

With the merging, AN said, ok, you don't have to sit in the back of the bus now, you can sit in the middle, and mind making me some bacon with these waffles, wench? btw, whens the baby popping out...

That is the entire body of the so-called, "offensive" post...
I would really like to know how you found all of those extra words and comparisons in that set of paragraphs. Don't presume to know the meaning if you can't understand the words and don't you ever put words like that in my mouth again when it is clear in black and white, that I never ever, compared 8 slots to racial colour or "lynching"

Bound seems to get it...

Bound Zero · Mar 29, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Well i have a high school education and common sense..

Rebirther · Mar 29, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I dont see how people see this as fuzzy math. Its very simple.

The 2 slots are really bonuses. If you truly pay attention to how they set it up you might begin to wonder why they even plan to give those 2 bonuses.

Example:

Prophecies has 4 slots. Now add the Free Sorrows Furnace Expansion (The only real expansion so far). No new slots.

Why are there no new slots with the SF expansion??? Because its still the same account, same characters, but access to more content. Note that its free.

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When you merge accounts, Factions is NO LONGER A SEPERATE GAME. It becomes an EXPANSION.

Therefore those 4 slots are NEGATED by your 4 pre-existing characters.

It becomes ONE account, with MORE content for those 4 pre-existing characters.

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Full game cost: $50.
Expansion pack cost $30
2 more playable slots: $20

Voila. Theres your fuzzy math.

This is the best explanation so far. clearly summarises it and gives you more than enough details, there are many more replies that contribute and are just the same as this one i quote.

Geeze nothing ever seems to make you happy, like a bunch of spoiled brats who just consider yourself and not thinking of the people on the other side.
Think how much ADDITIONAL hardware and software that the company will have to purchase- this leads to more room, more networks, more supplies and staff, the financial implications may be extradinary, having studied in this industry I understand their choices and their reasons.

Comon people use that head of yours and think outside the box and stop your whining.

You pay your money and you get what you get, if you don't like it then tough ****

Edit: corrected one sentence that didn't make sense.. haha

Mordakai · Mar 29, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

And people will complain until AN listens.. If people had stopped argueing equality everytime they were told no, blacks would still be sitting at the back of the bus and women would still be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen without a political voice.

Right here, you are comparing complaining about the number of slots in a game to Civil Rights and Women's Rights. It's a ridiculous comparison, and repeating it over and over doesn't somehow make it right!

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

With the merging, AN said, ok, you don't have to sit in the back of the bus now, you can sit in the middle, and mind making me some bacon with these waffles, wench? btw, whens the baby popping out...

This is even worse. Like, somehow getting two slots is the equivalent of getting partial rights; in your example moving halfway up the bus, and comparing your situation to the same as a "barefoot and pregnant" woman in the kitchen "popping out" babies while fixing breakfast for her man, ie, Anet.

Seriously, how can you write that and not realize "hmm, this may get some negative attention and derail the thread. Oh, well, I'll post it anyway, and call anyone who is offended by it a troll."

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Originally Posted by Bound Zero

Well i have a high school education and common sense..

Are you assuming I don't?

Dougal Kronik · Mar 29, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Keep on going everyone! This is the most entertaining stuff I've read at work in a loooong time!!!

I don't want anyone to leave or stop writing!

rollntider · Mar 29, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

Read your statement and then read my previous post, which might I add, has never been edited, that even brought up this ignorant tyrade.. where in the hell did you get "lynching" from all of that?

here, let me requote it, JUST for you, so that maybe THIS time, you will READ it, before rambling off another bunch of sentences that literally, misrepresent what a person said.

That is the entire body of the so-called, "offensive" post...
I would really like to know how you found all of those extra words and comparisons in that set of paragraphs. Don't presume to know the meaning if you can't understand the words and don't you ever put words like that in my mouth again when it is clear in black and white, that I never ever, compared 8 slots to racial colour or "lynching"

Bound seems to get it...

Well if you 2 dont get it, then so be it. Civil rights and womens right has no merit in your comparison, and you will never get it.

wsmcasey · Mar 29, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Rebirther

This is the best explanation so far. clearly summarises it and gives you more than enough details, there are many more replies that contribute and are just the same as this one i quote.

Geeze nothing ever seems to make you happy, like a bunch of spoiled brats who just consider yourself and not thinking of the people on the other side.
Think how much ADDITIONAL hardware and software that the company will have to purchase- this leads to more room, more networks, more supplies and staff, the financial implications may be extradinary, having studied in this industry I understand their choices and their reasons.

Comon people use that head of yours and think outside the box and stop your whining.

You pay your money and you get what you get, if you don't like it then tough ****

Edit: corrected one sentence that didn't make sense.. haha

Why not just give us the extra slots and charge $5 or $10 more for each copy of the game to compensate for the ADDITIONAL items you listed? This would make everyone happy. If your already paying $50 or $70 then a few more dollars won't make a difference.

Edit: PEOPLE, please stay on topic before this thread gets closed. We will not be taken seriously if this thread is ever read by the devs with all this childish bickering. PLEASE STOP NOW AND DON'T POST UNLESS IT'S CONSTRUCTIVE AND ON TOPIC.

CyberNigma · Mar 29, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I'm alright with 2 extra slots. I don't mind people complaining though that want 4 slots linked with 4 slots. I don't play that many characters, but they may. It does make sense (in a sense). However, I believe that if they want it, then they should keep arguing it. There are a lot of ...... (removed name so I didn't single out any nationalities) err, people that give up at the first sign of opposition. If it were up to them we would still have only 1 slot coming instead of two. All of the people that are complaining to the complainers, you're really pretty useless here. The complainers are trying to show some kind of (not always intelligent it seems) message to ANet. Anet has no forums of its own and links directly to these and others, so its their method of doing so. You, on the other hand seem to be apologists for ANet, throwing stuff off thew top of your head like, how they would lose money or how much ahrdware it would require). Let ANet answer those questions and respond to the complaints. We have enough apologists in the world without having them in our virtual worlds. These complaints seem to be geared towards ANet. If you truly, really are a person that is set against 4 extra slots for your own personal reasons (as opposed to trying to speak for why ANet doesn't want them), then this is definitely a place (or another thread entitled ANet Please Do Not Give More Slots) to speak. Again, I'm happy with 2 extra slots, though wouldn't complain if they gave out more. Please don't try to speak or apologize or rationalize for ANet. That's even more pathetic than the person flaming ANet for NOT giving them 2 extra slots instead of rationally discussing it.You can thank these complainers for the extra slot. If you use that extra slot, well then I guess you owe them a thank you. And to the complainers: If you really feel you NEED 4 extra slots, go ahead and good luck. I hope you get them. If you don't need them and feel somehow cheated, go ahead and good luck. If you are just complaining to bash ANet, well that's just pathetic.

EDIT: and yes, it can be said that I'm doing the same thing. I figured that what the heck, with all the negative reinforcement, these guys could use some positive reinforcement as well..

Kakumei · Mar 29, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Are we getting shafted? Do we deserve an additional two slots? Probably. I wouldn't argue with that.

The only difference between me and the people openly complaining is that I don't care about the slot number at all.

Mandy Memory · Mar 29, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

I think you are wrong and I only want 2 slots...seriously. Actually I just want 1 slot...but I guess an extra pvp slot wont be that bad...

Dont merge if you want more slots...or buy 2 copies like everyone else who wanted to play every character.

*does the "I didnt read anything but the first post but I already know there are over 100 posts of whining in this thread" dance*

Edit OMG MY MISTAKE ~50 posts of whining...and a lot of people not complaining....Im impressed...even a flash animation...wow....

shadowfell · Mar 29, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Well, what I don't understand is, you have prophecies, and you have four slots for x amount of server space. You then buy Factions and would have, another 4 slots for y amount of server space, now you combine the two games and have 6 slots for z amount of server space..

The difference between combining and not combining is two slots that AN would have had the space for anyhow! If you treated the games as two seperate worlds and never combined them. They would still be storing 8 characters. Does it really make much of a difference to allow us those 8 slots on a combined account? Especially, if you add up the cost of prophecies when you bought it, and the cost of factions together. Say, $130.00 american for both games. Now times that against their player base and you tell me who is getting tight in the purse.

You can argue, well, the servers are free and AN only charges you for the game once.. And that is true, but happy players bring in more players and more players will likely buy both Factions and Prophecies, adding more into AN's pocket but still for this release, only 6 combined slots.

At this point, I would be happy with the 6 combined slots as long as there was at least a BONUS slot for a pvp character. I still want to make a ranger and a ritualist and since my 4 slots in prophecies are already pigged up with my other completed and loved characters, I'll have to forget one of those to keep a pvp slot open. If I hadn't been getting more into pvp lately, as opposed to pve, it wouldn't have even been a question. The ranger and the rit would have won out hands down over a free slot, but with the recent.. full game priced expansion pack cramming pvp down your throat, it really seems like keeping an open pvp slot is the only way to compete and stay viable within my guild.

The least AN could have done was considered exactly how much less they are really granting to people who shelled out for both chapters, if they really want their return to chapter three.. if guild wars survives that long.

wsmcasey · Mar 29, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Also if the rumor is true that you can trade in faction for rare crafting materials, then I will definately be keeping 1 slot open for a dedicated pvp character. That leaves we 1 slot left to choose a new character since my current 4 slots are full of pve characters. I agree that if they're gonna shove pvp down my throat, then at least give me a drink of water "dedicated pvp slot" so I don't freakin choke!

Zehnchu · Mar 30, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Also if the rumor is true that you can trade in faction for rare crafting materials, then I will definately be keeping 1 slot open for a dedicated pvp character. That leaves we 1 slot left to choose a new character since my current 4 slots are full of pve characters. I agree that if they're gonna shove pvp down my throat, then at least give me a drink of water "dedicated pvp slot" so I don't freakin choke!

On the Kurzicks side it’s 1,000 FP for I believe it was amber crafting materials

hidden_agenda · Mar 30, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by heavy metal rules

you guys are killing me!! i mean seriously there have been upteen numerous thereads on this, wtf......and don't go attacking me because you all know it as well, and you all know that there is a search button that does and sometimes doesn't work, well if it doesn't work then LOOK! for your answer...

And if you actually READ my OP, you'll see that I did read through the previous threads and faqs, but sought clarification on the "two slots" that Gaile mentioned (which was recent).

BTW, dead people don't whine, so clearly we haven't killed you yet...

Vilaptca · Mar 30, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

What Gaile is saying, is that you will receive your 2 slots when you add the retail key to your account. So those of us with the preorder, and the 24-hour headstart, won't be getting our 2 slots until we actually have the game in our hands and have added the key to our account.

So basically, anyone planning on starting a new character and getting a head start with that 24-hour period, better have a character slot open around that time, or they'll be deleting someone.

Vilaptca

Tric · Mar 30, 2006, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Still, Anet are freaking stingy with the slots. In many other MMO's you get lots more or unlimited slots. In GW, they slowly increase in number, but are still very few. If I'm paying full price for this, I also expect to get DOUBLE!

Laibeus Lord · Mar 30, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Tric

I hate this. Why in HELL did anet make this choice. Why do they punish people that combine them? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever!

If anyone from Anet is reading this, please, take my advice and hire someone that knows math.

4+4=6 isn't right, not any day of the week!

To those who are not aware, well obviously a lot are not aware.

I doubt, I really doubt it is ANet's decision (maybe they partially agreed to it), rather it is NCSoft's decision.

The 4+4=6 formula first appeared in City of Heroes and City of Vilains.

Simply because the expansion is a "stand-alone" expansion.

Thus, if you use the expansion as a stand-alone, you get 4 slots. If as an expansion (ie attached to the other release), you only get 2. Which IS normal in expansions.

A stand-alone to get 2 only isn't normal, so they get 4 if they'll use it as stand-alone.

^_^

Hope that helps, and trust me, it will not change. It is NCSoft's decision more likely